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		<title>By: Darb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@justinspratt to be fair, you did postulate that he was abused, that is not really a neutral olive branch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@justinspratt to be fair, you did postulate that he was abused, that is not really a neutral olive branch.</p>
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		<title>By: Darb</title>
		<link>http://rodent.za.net/silicon-scrape/comment-page-1/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>Darb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sjoe, you guys are all enthusiastic. I hope everyone has achieved some level of synergistic properties, minimising misunderstandings and leveraging positive relationships.

It has taken a week, but, Colin/Roelf, please spend the time (if you can) watching the speeches on http://www.zoopy.com/siliconcape (you can avoid all the soundbyte videos), and you can judge for yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sjoe, you guys are all enthusiastic. I hope everyone has achieved some level of synergistic properties, minimising misunderstandings and leveraging positive relationships.</p>
<p>It has taken a week, but, Colin/Roelf, please spend the time (if you can) watching the speeches on <a href="http://www.zoopy.com/siliconcape" rel="nofollow">http://www.zoopy.com/siliconcape</a> (you can avoid all the soundbyte videos), and you can judge for yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Alston</title>
		<link>http://rodent.za.net/silicon-scrape/comment-page-1/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Alston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-32&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@justinspratt&lt;/a&gt; 

For what it&#039;s worth I will take up the offer, I just need to find a time. Will email you.</description>
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<p>For what it&#8217;s worth I will take up the offer, I just need to find a time. Will email you.</p>
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		<title>By: justinspratt</title>
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		<dc:creator>justinspratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-25&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@roelf&lt;/a&gt; 
Rodent - there was no hate or malice in my response at all.  It wasnt even sarcastic!  I was merely offering an olive branch to try and understand your point-of-view... oh, well.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-25" rel="nofollow">@roelf</a><br />
Rodent &#8211; there was no hate or malice in my response at all.  It wasnt even sarcastic!  I was merely offering an olive branch to try and understand your point-of-view&#8230; oh, well.  <img src='http://rodent.za.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: roelf</title>
		<link>http://rodent.za.net/silicon-scrape/comment-page-1/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>roelf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-20&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-20&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Andrew Thomas-Woolf&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hi Colin, Roelf &amp; others,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Andrew, your post is very eloquent and hits the right strings with me. Thanks for engaging, and I have to say that it has left some lingering thoughts.

I&#039;m posting a full response as a new article...</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-20" rel="nofollow">Andrew Thomas-Woolf</a> :</strong></p>
<p>Hi Colin, Roelf &amp; others,</p>
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<p>Andrew, your post is very eloquent and hits the right strings with me. Thanks for engaging, and I have to say that it has left some lingering thoughts.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m posting a full response as a new article&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: roelf</title>
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		<dc:creator>roelf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-19&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-19&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ivo Vegter&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Finally, I’ve acquired fanboy status!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Congratulations.

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-19&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-19&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ivo Vegter&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
But yeah, cynical though I am, and conditional though my conclusions were (in publications that carried my coverage), I’ll admit I’m a fan. And while Silicon Cape may not have solved the ultimate question (how do we attract the right people), I think your post is a pretty good example of how not to.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ah, yes. So sorry if my post upset the entire initiative. I&#039;ll try to do more &quot;we&#039;re not worthy&#039;s&quot; next time.</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-19" rel="nofollow">Ivo Vegter</a> :</strong></p>
<p>Finally, I’ve acquired fanboy status!</p>
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<p>Congratulations.</p>
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<strong><a href="#comment-19" rel="nofollow">Ivo Vegter</a> :</strong><br />
But yeah, cynical though I am, and conditional though my conclusions were (in publications that carried my coverage), I’ll admit I’m a fan. And while Silicon Cape may not have solved the ultimate question (how do we attract the right people), I think your post is a pretty good example of how not to.
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<p>Ah, yes. So sorry if my post upset the entire initiative. I&#8217;ll try to do more &#8220;we&#8217;re not worthy&#8217;s&#8221; next time.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Alston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Alston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-17&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Erin&lt;/a&gt; 

Quite right. Why then are we perpetuating this?</description>
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<p>Quite right. Why then are we perpetuating this?</p>
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		<title>By: roelf</title>
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		<dc:creator>roelf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-17&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Erin&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hate to burst your bubble but everything that has succeeded in South Africa has been copied in some form or another. Our cellphone networks were launched off models taken from overseas.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My bubble is quite intact, thank you. And you&#039;re wrong.

Thanks for your post.</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-17" rel="nofollow">Erin</a> :</strong></p>
<p>I hate to burst your bubble but everything that has succeeded in South Africa has been copied in some form or another. Our cellphone networks were launched off models taken from overseas.</p>
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<p>My bubble is quite intact, thank you. And you&#8217;re wrong.</p>
<p>Thanks for your post.</p>
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		<title>By: roelf</title>
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		<dc:creator>roelf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-23&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;justinspratt&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But then I read your post.  Wow.  Unlike most “vitriolics” (SC detractors essentially), at least your prose was readable.  Unfortunately it is contentless.  I have taken nothing useful away from it except that you (whom I didnt know previous to reading this) doesnt like Cape Town.  Who cares about that?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I can understand my views coming across as being unclear, having re-read my post. 

I certainly don&#039;t get how you read that I dislike Cape Town.

What I do dislike is lip service, and I guess what you need to take away is that I&#039;m tired of hearing the same thing from politicians and &quot;those concerned&quot;.

In addition, I&#039;m patently tired of Web startups whining about a &quot;difficult venture capital environment&quot; and the problems they encounter when trying to make their supposedly startling businesses cash flow positive, whilst verbally fellating about this in endless Geekdinners and 24-somethings.

I have personally found that elbow grease tends to lubricate a lot of things. And yes, I do cross border transactions, and projects scoping Africa and have a very good handle on  what the issues are in terms of IP, and foreign currency and taxes.

But honestly, people complaining about the lack of cross-currency Paypal payments because it breaks their business model is simply farsical.

The Silicon Cape initiative is far too focused on &quot;monetizing online startups&quot; than with the real plumbing that is Information Technology. I would hate to see just another series of SEO optimizers, Blog consultants and microblogging tools and websites be the vanguard of Information Technology in South Africa.

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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-23&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;justinspratt&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;
I have never herd of you, and probably wouldnt unless Colin Alston hadnt posted your blog link on twitter.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ditto. I&#039;d never heard of you either. Are we quits now ?

I also did some digging, specifically around this post and you. Let&#039;s, for example take your twitter post quoted such: 

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;http://twitter.com/justinspratt/status/4757278625&quot;&gt;
http://twitter.com/justinspratt/status/4757278625
@karnaugh oh, a bring that &quot;rodent&quot; guy too. although he sounds abused as a child, he appears smart, so there could be a chance :)
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You, on the other hand appear dumb and vindictive. Take your fucking invite for coffee and shove  it up your anus, you pompous, conniving prick.

I&#039;ll buy &lt;strong&gt;you&lt;/strong&gt; a Jack Daniels if I ever get to see you. I don&#039;t need your Cuppacino.

Oh, and bring more hate please. </description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-23" rel="nofollow">justinspratt</a> :</strong></p>
<p>But then I read your post.  Wow.  Unlike most “vitriolics” (SC detractors essentially), at least your prose was readable.  Unfortunately it is contentless.  I have taken nothing useful away from it except that you (whom I didnt know previous to reading this) doesnt like Cape Town.  Who cares about that?</p>
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<p>I can understand my views coming across as being unclear, having re-read my post. </p>
<p>I certainly don&#8217;t get how you read that I dislike Cape Town.</p>
<p>What I do dislike is lip service, and I guess what you need to take away is that I&#8217;m tired of hearing the same thing from politicians and &#8220;those concerned&#8221;.</p>
<p>In addition, I&#8217;m patently tired of Web startups whining about a &#8220;difficult venture capital environment&#8221; and the problems they encounter when trying to make their supposedly startling businesses cash flow positive, whilst verbally fellating about this in endless Geekdinners and 24-somethings.</p>
<p>I have personally found that elbow grease tends to lubricate a lot of things. And yes, I do cross border transactions, and projects scoping Africa and have a very good handle on  what the issues are in terms of IP, and foreign currency and taxes.</p>
<p>But honestly, people complaining about the lack of cross-currency Paypal payments because it breaks their business model is simply farsical.</p>
<p>The Silicon Cape initiative is far too focused on &#8220;monetizing online startups&#8221; than with the real plumbing that is Information Technology. I would hate to see just another series of SEO optimizers, Blog consultants and microblogging tools and websites be the vanguard of Information Technology in South Africa.</p>
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<strong><a href="#comment-23" rel="nofollow">justinspratt</a> </strong><br />
I have never herd of you, and probably wouldnt unless Colin Alston hadnt posted your blog link on twitter.
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<p>Ditto. I&#8217;d never heard of you either. Are we quits now ?</p>
<p>I also did some digging, specifically around this post and you. Let&#8217;s, for example take your twitter post quoted such: </p>
<blockquote cite="http://twitter.com/justinspratt/status/4757278625"><p>
<a href="http://twitter.com/justinspratt/status/4757278625" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/justinspratt/status/4757278625</a><br />
@karnaugh oh, a bring that &#8220;rodent&#8221; guy too. although he sounds abused as a child, he appears smart, so there could be a chance <img src='http://rodent.za.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
</p></blockquote>
<p>You, on the other hand appear dumb and vindictive. Take your fucking invite for coffee and shove  it up your anus, you pompous, conniving prick.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll buy <strong>you</strong> a Jack Daniels if I ever get to see you. I don&#8217;t need your Cuppacino.</p>
<p>Oh, and bring more hate please.</p>
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		<title>By: Izak Burger</title>
		<link>http://rodent.za.net/silicon-scrape/comment-page-1/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Izak Burger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it seems some people in the Cape organised something to promote the Cape and now some Notherners are unhappy? Perhaps just one or two... :-P

Re Frogfoot, I know the company well, and while I respect and personally know the people who own it/work there, I don&#039;t think they are the poster-child of greatness as far as the Cape goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it seems some people in the Cape organised something to promote the Cape and now some Notherners are unhappy? Perhaps just one or two&#8230; <img src='http://rodent.za.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Re Frogfoot, I know the company well, and while I respect and personally know the people who own it/work there, I don&#8217;t think they are the poster-child of greatness as far as the Cape goes.</p>
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